Duct Designer 3d training

[DUCT-DAWG]

Has anyone heard when the week long training class in Denver will begin covering the '07 version?

From what I understand there are too many differences between '06 & '07, so going to the '06 class would be somewhat useless if you have '07.

[CADFreak]

Probably September. They are already starting to ship (though in very limited numbers so don't bother asking for it yet) the 2.0, which is 2007 compatible. On a side note I don't think 2007 is so different from 2006 that the DD3D or PD3D classes would be useless. There are some neat features with solids, dynamic ucs, and new shading but that's not revolutionary only slightly evolutionary.

[DUCT-DAWG]

We were under the impression that there were a tremendous amount of changes . 1st of all, '06 will no longer be supported as we have heard. 2nd of all we went from 1cd w '06 to 5cds w '07.

[CADFreak]

Strange, my 2007 is 2 CDs. Even 07 Architectural Desktop is only 4 CDs. Your right, though, probably the biggest difference is the drawing format (the R17 format). Other than that is is a typical update with a handfull of new features. Do a search online for what's new in 2007 or look throught the blogs. There arn't any more changes than the last few updates had. Definately some cool stuff, don't get me wrong, but not 3 CDs worth.

[tbeaman]

I got my ADT 2007 and it is one CD. I cannot make it install though, Quickpen was calling Autodesk for me for help. I just thought that it was interesting that mine is one CD, for 5 standalone versions.

I got the early release notes on the DD3D 2.0 and it states right across the top that it will only work with 2007.

[Hranec]

We only have one cd to. Three stand alones. I got ADT2007 loaded and dd3d loaded. Having some problems plotting spiral duct. Is anyone else using 2007? i'm having some problems opening drawings. I get fatal errors and it kicks me out. Support told me to recover the drawings that do this to me. It even happens on drawings i've recovered days back. It does not happen all the time. i've been monitoring the drawings that do this. It seems to be faster but it makes the files larger. i had a drawing jump from 18mg. to 28mg. just upgrading to 2007. I don't really care for this, especially when i can't send the files by e-mail because they are to large. i'm sure there will be more the longer i work on it.

[tbeaman]

Quickpen told me that you could not run DD3D 1.5.8 with the new 2007 AutoCAD stuff, that you had to wait for the 2.0 release that is still two weeks out.

[Hranec]

We've Had 2.0 For Two Weeks Now. I Guess We Are Working All The Bugs Out For Everyone. They Told Me They Would Be Sending Out A New Disc With Changes And Fixs On It Once They Get It Done. Couple Of The Fixs Include Being Able To Download Fire Damper Sleeves, Taps With Liner Number With The Same Piece Number(sometimes), Round To Square Fitting Allows Liner In It Now. I Would Say It Is Best That You Don't Have It Yet, Seeing All The Problems I've Had So Far.

[Ferguson]

If I'm not mistaken, AutoCad started shipping all of their software on dvd, that is why you will only see 1 disk in the package.

[Hranec]

You are correct on that one. I had not noticed that until now.

[tbeaman]

Where did you get that handy little icon of the man beating his head on the desk? I want one that shows the genie looking into the crystal ball, like me trying to guess at how to make this software work.

[Hranec]

thats me on that little icon. i do this every once in a while to get the cob webs out. don't know where to find a genie at. hopefully next release is better. seems like they are working hard at getting some things done. we'll have to wait and see.

[tbeaman]

Vulcan has really been helping me for the past two weeks. They have bent over backwards and done cart wheels, and it is much better. They brought me some pre-release stuff yesterday and fixed some more of my download problems. They also fixed EVERY liner table problem that I had, I had to delete my liner table problem document all together. I agree, that it may be looking up.

I got my 2007 AutoCAD installed. It took forever to create the deployment, but once I got that done it was not a problem. I haven't put it on the other 4 machines yet, they are all drawing and I will not disturb them.

[Hranec]

t,
how do you lable your steel? we normally lable top and bottom but since we got this, we have to do the math and type it in. i was just wondering if there was an easier way out there. i have tried some of the adt tags but you got to make sure you are picking the right spot with them. also, they only give you one spot elevation. hope qpen comes out with a easy way of doing this.

[tbeaman]

We also used to do top and bottom, but the ADT only does the bottom. When we draw the steel in ADT to use the top elevation to orientate it by, since that's what the structural drawings show, so it does the math to figure the bottom elevation for me. We make the view ports for plan view and iso view on the screen, and then go to iso view and tell it to label the bottom elevation of the steel with that ADT annotations tool and it does it on the plan view. The only problem that I have with that method is that the units on the drawing keep changing, and sometimes it will feet and inches and sometimes it will show inches only. I can change it back, but it always changes back to inches by itself.

The old cad system had a much better steel package than the ADT does.

[Hranec]

is the units an autocad issue? i was hoping adt 2007 would have a depth in there properties box for steel. we could have made a custom tag that labled top and bottom, but it does not. i talked to autocad support about adding depth to properties. i think qpen will almost have to make there own steel library if a colision check is added at some point. of course, i do not know that for sure seeing i am not a professional programmer.

[tbeaman]

Mike Walker says that in DD3D there was an error that everytime you placed a certain piece of the text on the screen it changed the units of the AutoCAD drawing. I think that it was the air distribution text. He said that they fixed that in the last release but I have not experienced the fix yet. I know how to change the units back, it's just irritating that it keeps changing. The problem is still with old drawings, I don't know if it happens on the new drawings.

[qpcadman]

Hey Tina

was going over the posts and saw that you are able to tag the bottom of steel using the ADT annotation tool. Which tool exactly are you using? When I try I can only get the tags to show up in the iso view.. not the plan where we need it.

stv

[tbeaman]

We draw the steel with ADT, of course, and then we set up the views so that you have a plan view and an iso view on the screen. You turn on OSNAP and open the ADT tool pallette. One of the tabs on the tool pallette is ANNOTATIONS, and if you scroll all the way down to the bottom there is one that says PLAN ELEVATION LABEL (1). You have to pick the bottom of the steel in the iso view, with OSNAP on, but the elevation appears on the plan view drawing. It's kind of hard to remember which pieces of steel you have tagged and which ones that you haven't because you pick in one view and it appears in the other, but it does work. ADT creates it's own layer to put this on also.This is the elevation that I told you changes from feet and inches to inches sometimes, and you have to change your drawing units to get it back the other way. It is not as easy as other drafting programs, but it does work.

[tbeaman]

My name is Tammy, I was trying to figure out who Tina was when I realized that it was me.

[qpcadman]

oops... my bad obviously 8-P

thx 4 the tip Tammy... this works better then the calculator method